Re: Reminder

From: Megan Donahue (donahue@pa.msu.edu)
Date: Wed Oct 19 2005 - 20:17:49 PDT

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    All the comments sound sensible to me...I'll change my vote on MS1054
    too.

    I mainly wanted to report that my April observing run did not turn up
    any "monsters" like
    MS1054-03. We have some interesting candidates, but the richness of
    these systems is
    such that you (and I) would want spectroscopic redshift confirmation
    before spending 5 HST
    orbits. I will be meeting up with Piero (who is also on this project)
    -- the earliest we
    could confirm redshifts would be early spring, even if we convinced
    someone to take
    a spectrum or two in their slow time.

    There is another very rich, compact, EMSS cluster at z=0.8, MS1137+66.
    It's a beauty
    with a big BCG, centrally concentrated. It has WFPC2 data, R and I
    band. I think it's the
    one that Saul found a supernova in on March 17 1996 and found out I had
    proprietary
    data for it. Or was that Richard Ellis? I'm getting old. I forget.

    It's also got strong lensing arc(s). I've been trying to get more
    spectroscopy for this
    cluster for years it seems -- it's a really nice system, but the
    spectroscopy needs big
    glass, and the TACs are both disappointed it's only one system AND that
    it takes
    a lot of time.

    It might have similar issues to MS1054, the main one being it's at
    z=0.78 not 1.0, but
    I thought I'd put it out there if there was interest in that type of
    cluster.

    MS1054 is not unique (I sure hope not!!), but we still had to search
    about 800 square
    degrees to find it.

    - Megan

    On Oct 19, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Kyle Dawson wrote:

    > Okay okay!!! I knew it would be controversial...I take it all back.
    > The arguments against MS1054 make perfect sense, I'll wait for some
    > candidates from you all. We do have some time to figure out the best
    > candidates, but as always, the sooner the better.
    > -Kyle
    >
    >
    >
    > Anthony Gonzalez wrote:
    >
    >> I second Henk's comments. From the cluster side we'll learn very
    >> little from more imaging of MS1054, and there are multiple good
    >> options for z>1 clusters to observe instead.
    >>
    >> -Anthony
    >>
    >>
    >>> Dear All,
    >>>
    >>> Although MS1054 is very dear to me, I must strongly object to
    >>> considering MS1054. There are two, in my opinion, important reasons
    >>> for that.
    >>>
    >>> First, the project is not all about supernovae and MS1054 has been
    >>> already studied to death with ACS and WFPC2 and hence little new
    >>> cluster
    >>> science will come out of this (it already has two good weak lensing
    >>> analyses published on it).
    >>>
    >>> Second, the proposal focused on higher redshift clusters. If we were
    >>> to go this low (in redshift I mean), I am sure Mike would have some
    >>> interesting RCS clusters to consider instead. Clusters such as
    >>> MS1054 are not unique provided you sample enough volume...
    >>>
    >>> Cheers,
    >>> Henk
    >>>
    >>
    >>



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