Re: Reworked strong lens section

From: Henk Hoekstra (hoekstra@uvic.ca)
Date: Thu Jan 26 2006 - 17:10:02 PST

  • Next message: Anthony Gonzalez: "Re: Reworked strong lens section"

    Hi Joe,

    I agree that the strong lensing is compelling enough, but one has to
    be careful not to overstate what can be done. It's one of those things
    that sound good and make pretty pictures, but once looked at more closely
    turns out to be much harder than people thought.

    For instance, if I were on the TAC I would wonder about spectroscopic
    follow up, etc. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see arcs: provided one
    observes to sufficient depth, you're pretty much guaranteed to see them.
    With this in mind, should we get excited about a z=1.39 that shows and
    arc?

    I think we can focus the essence (I know it might not be the right word
    to use in this collaboration) of the strong lensing much more.

    Obviously I am interested in our results on the frequency on strong
    lensing in clusters based on the RCS results, but I am not sure this
    is the right sample... this is not a homogeneous sample. Not sure though
    how much that will affect things.

    > a) There is suggestive evidence for disagreement with LCDM at high
    > redshift

    What is the disagreement, and do we really think there's a problem with
    LCDM? Or a limitation of the simulations, i.e. theory? The TAC will be
    very sceptical of such claims...

    > b) It is probing the nature of dark matter which is the kind of
    > 'fundamental physics' the TAC will like

    How do we probe the nature of dark matter? Do you think that with these
    observations you can measure the interaction cross section? If not,
    we're not doing much fundamental physics.

    As you see, I am playing devil's advocate here, but the TAC will contain
    specialists in this field, which may or may not be as critical (or be
    much more critical).

    How about the following (not sure it's shorter)? Note I also tried
    to weave in the multi-color aspect:

    Although the weak gravitational lensing measurements provide us with
    an estimate of the overall cluster mass, accurate estimates of the
    density profile in the centres of clusters can only be obtained using
    strong lensing. The image quality delivered by the ACS dramatically
    increases the number of the number of faint, low surface brightness
    arcs and image families that can be detected. Such measurements nicely
    complement the weak lensing measurements, as a single high redshift
    giant arc determines the mass interior to the Einstein radius (~ 100
    kpc/h). A combined analysis opens up the possibility to measure accurately
    the concentration parameters of the clusters. In addition, comparison
    with results at lower redshifts enables us the follow the evolution, and
    test the CDM predictions. Based on the cycle 14 observations we already
    discovered ???? giant arcs, and we expect a number of multiple image
    families to be discovered using multicolor data (as proposed for cycle 15).

    A related topic, that these observations can address, is the
    outstanding question why high redshift clusters appear to be more
    efficient lenses, compared to their lower redshift
    counterparts. Gladders \etal (2003) find that most of the strong
    lensing clusters in the RCS are at $z\gtrsim 0.7, whereas numerical
    simulations predict the distribution of such clusters to peak at $z
    \sim 0.4$ (Hennawi \etal 2006). A detailed strong lensing study
    of large sample of high redshift clusters is a crucial part in
    solving this intriguing problem.



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