Re: new version of HST proposal posted - COMMENTS

From: Piero Rosati (prosati@eso.org)
Date: Fri Jan 26 2007 - 07:49:10 PST

  • Next message: Marc Postman: "Re: new version of HST proposal posted - COMMENTS"

    Hi everyone,
    fantastic proposal!

    I have 2 comments, 1 correction and a question for Marc regarding Fig.
    3a:

    1)
    Regarding the evidence of no or little dust in ellipticals, we say:

    "Recent Spitzer data (Temi et al. 2005) confirms that most nearby
    ellipticals have the SED’s expected for dust-free
    systems."
    This was also found in early-types at z~1, and I think it would be
    worth mentioning it.
    Rettura et al. 2006 (A&A 458, 717-726) used SED fitting with 10
    bands, including the 4 IRAC bands, of 30 early-type galaxies at
    0.8<z<1.2 in the field (mostly GOODS) and showed evidence of *no or
    very modest dust extinction*. This is the relevant paragraph in that
    paper, just to save you the time:

    We have also investigated the effect of dust extinction on the best-
    fit photometric-stellar masses by including a fourth free parameter,
    0.0 < E( B − V ) < 0.4, following the Cardelli et al. (1989)
    prescription. By performing the fit on 28 galaxies for which IRAC
    photometry is available in all 4 bands, we find that in ∼40% of the
    cases E( B − V ) 0 gives the best fit. In the remaining cases,
    masses which are lower by 0.2 ± 0.1 dex are found, with corresponding
    E( B − V ) ≤ 0.2. This test supports the validity of the dust-free
    model assumption, as also widely used in the literature for early-
    type galaxies.

    2)
    Mass-richness relation plot. It's nice, and the scatter/outliers not
    surprising given the nature of any richness parameter. We don't want
    to give the impression though this will be the kind of plots which
    will provide the "mass calibration" of future Xray/SZ surveys. Best
    mass indicators are currently physical quantities extracted from X-
    ray and SZ observations: T, Mgas, Lx,Y, Yx (the so called Yx=Tx*Mgas
    being the most fashionable these days). I doubt that anyone will use
    n_gal in the era of precision cosmology. This is mentioned at the end
    of the Cluster Science section (pag.6) but it should rather be here.
    So I think we should add in this section something like:

    Chandra and XMM observations of these clusters already in hand and
    upcoming SZ observations will allow us to probe for the first time at
    1<z<1.5 the relation between fiducial lensing masses and physical
    parameters derived form X-ray and SZ measurements (Lx, Tx, Mgas, Y).
    These relations provide the critical calibrations for precision
    cosmology with next generation cluster surveys.

    -Correction:
    Pag.6: The GTO program has *four* clusters at z>1

    -Question for Marc: the caption of Fig.3a (VLT based CMR) reads
    "CMR in this same cluster using data from the VLT FORS and ISAAC
    (transformed to the ACS i,z passbands)"
    FORS has already i&z bands, how did you use ISAAC (J&K bands) to
    "transform" to ACS i&z ??

    Piero

    On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Tony Spadafora wrote:

    > Cluster search group,
    >
    > The working draft of the cycle 16 proposal on
    > http://supernova.lbl.gov/HSTclusterSN/proposals/HSTc16/clusters/text/
    > (HSTclusterSN/HSTclusterSN)
    >
    > has Wednesday's reworking of various sections. Comments are
    > welcome. There are still embedded internal questions and ?'s in
    > various places. Sci Just will need to be cut a little (~11 lines).
    > Some of the figures need work. All of the captions and references
    > will need to be checked.
    >
    > -Tony
    >



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