Re: new version of HST proposal posted - COMMENTS

From: Greg Aldering (aldering@panisse.lbl.gov)
Date: Fri Jan 26 2007 - 12:17:57 PST

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    Hi Piero,

    I took a look at thne Rettura et al paper hoping to find
    the fitted E(B-V) values for each galaxy, but apparently
    they are not published. Would you, Peter, Dan or Adam happen
    to have them?

    Thanks,

    Greg

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Piero Rosati wrote:

    > Hi everyone,
    > fantastic proposal!
    >
    > I have 2 comments, 1 correction and a question for Marc regarding Fig.
    > 3a:
    >
    > 1)
    > Regarding the evidence of no or little dust in ellipticals, we say:
    >
    > "Recent Spitzer data (Temi et al. 2005) confirms that most nearby
    > ellipticals have the SED’s expected for dust-free
    > systems."
    > This was also found in early-types at z~1, and I think it would be
    > worth mentioning it.
    > Rettura et al. 2006 (A&A 458, 717-726) used SED fitting with 10
    > bands, including the 4 IRAC bands, of 30 early-type galaxies at
    > 0.8<z<1.2 in the field (mostly GOODS) and showed evidence of *no or
    > very modest dust extinction*. This is the relevant paragraph in that
    > paper, just to save you the time:
    >
    > We have also investigated the effect of dust extinction on the best-
    > fit photometric-stellar masses by including a fourth free parameter,
    > 0.0 < E( B − V ) < 0.4, following the Cardelli et al. (1989)
    > prescription. By performing the fit on 28 galaxies for which IRAC
    > photometry is available in all 4 bands, we find that in ∼40% of the
    > cases E( B − V ) 0 gives the best fit. In the remaining cases,
    > masses which are lower by 0.2 ± 0.1 dex are found, with corresponding
    > E( B − V ) ≤ 0.2. This test supports the validity of the dust-free
    > model assumption, as also widely used in the literature for early-
    > type galaxies.
    >
    >
    > 2)
    > Mass-richness relation plot. It's nice, and the scatter/outliers not
    > surprising given the nature of any richness parameter. We don't want
    > to give the impression though this will be the kind of plots which
    > will provide the "mass calibration" of future Xray/SZ surveys. Best
    > mass indicators are currently physical quantities extracted from X-
    > ray and SZ observations: T, Mgas, Lx,Y, Yx (the so called Yx=Tx*Mgas
    > being the most fashionable these days). I doubt that anyone will use
    > n_gal in the era of precision cosmology. This is mentioned at the end
    > of the Cluster Science section (pag.6) but it should rather be here.
    > So I think we should add in this section something like:
    >
    > Chandra and XMM observations of these clusters already in hand and
    > upcoming SZ observations will allow us to probe for the first time at
    > 1<z<1.5 the relation between fiducial lensing masses and physical
    > parameters derived form X-ray and SZ measurements (Lx, Tx, Mgas, Y).
    > These relations provide the critical calibrations for precision
    > cosmology with next generation cluster surveys.
    >
    >
    > -Correction:
    > Pag.6: The GTO program has *four* clusters at z>1
    >
    > -Question for Marc: the caption of Fig.3a (VLT based CMR) reads
    > "CMR in this same cluster using data from the VLT FORS and ISAAC
    > (transformed to the ACS i,z passbands)"
    > FORS has already i&z bands, how did you use ISAAC (J&K bands) to
    > "transform" to ACS i&z ??
    >
    >
    > Piero
    >
    > On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Tony Spadafora wrote:
    >
    > > Cluster search group,
    > >
    > > The working draft of the cycle 16 proposal on
    > > http://supernova.lbl.gov/HSTclusterSN/proposals/HSTc16/clusters/text/
    > > (HSTclusterSN/HSTclusterSN)
    > >
    > > has Wednesday's reworking of various sections. Comments are
    > > welcome. There are still embedded internal questions and ?'s in
    > > various places. Sci Just will need to be cut a little (~11 lines).
    > > Some of the figures need work. All of the captions and references
    > > will need to be checked.
    > >
    > > -Tony
    > >
    >
    >



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